I don't understand, is it that Cubans don't believe in God or don't practice any religion? But then why do they have a priest in the Cathedral in Havana? Do they hold masses there? And why in some songs, do they talk about la Virgen Maria and Dios? I know about Santeria, does that count as their religion? Or is it that your free to do what you want about faith, so anything goes. When I've been to a (Cuban) friend's house, she has statues of (I'm pretty sure) of the Virgin Mary. (No, I never really bothered to ask her as I was there to work on choreographies). At home I have small paintings I bought depicting Ochun and the other one I think is Santa Maria, she is above 3 men in a boat, I know there is a story to this but I don't remember because I bought it about 6 years ago, anyway these two figures seemed to be revered in Cuba. Probably my answers to this have to with before and after the Revolution, but I would like some clarification. Anybody?
I guess I should have started this with the fact that I was always under the impression that Cubans don't believe in God, but I keep seeing these icons that say otherwise.
I guess I should have started this with the fact that I was always under the impression that Cubans don't believe in God, but I keep seeing these icons that say otherwise.
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Mon, February 13, 2006 - 5:32 PMOh and, thank you in advance for any answer! -
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Mon, February 13, 2006 - 6:47 PMWhere did you get the impression that Cubans didn't believe in god? There's references to various religions everywhere in Cuba. Sure, some are atheists but the vast majority believe in the biblical god or a vast number of Catholic saints. There are many Jewish temples, 7th day adventists and spritualists. There are four distinct African religions surviving in Cuba but in a particular 18th century form that no longer exists in Africa.
I was on a crowded bus once in Havana and noticed that just by chance about 1/4 of the passengers were priests in one or more of the African religions, judging from the clothing and beads worn. And as far as regular innitiates, pretty much the whole bus, driver included.
Hope that helps.
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Wed, October 4, 2006 - 9:12 PMCubans don't believe "ni en la madre de los tomates" :-)
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Mon, February 13, 2006 - 10:09 PMCheck the Lonely Planet website:
www.lonelyplanet.com/worldgu...ssential
47% Catholic,
4% Protestant,
2% Santería (many Catholics also practice Santería)
That means that 50% of Cubans believe in the biblical God in addition to other gods such as the African Orishas.
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Tue, February 14, 2006 - 12:08 AM<Where did you get the impression that Cubans didn't believe in god? >
It seems to me that a guy from my workplace who is from Cuba, told me this. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I'll ask him again next time I see him. (Won't be for a while though) Perhaps I understood that Communists don't believe in God. I don't know. Anyway now I stand corrected, thanks guys. -
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Sun, February 19, 2006 - 3:46 PMi think this may be due to the fact that there are no government religious holidays like there are
here in the states. I was there on X-mas and although people have decor and trees, its not recognized.
Isn't it that you can be whatever religion you want? that was my impression. -
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Wed, March 8, 2006 - 10:57 PMIndeed there are lots of different religions there. They are not all christian based. Some of the agricultural markets sell spiritual herbs for the religions that have cermonial herbs involved in their practices. GT is correct about the govornment not taking a role of supporting any religion by making no official holidays out of the dates. Check out Pastors for Peace (pastorsforpeace.org) website. It is not so updated all the time...but this is essentially a United States to Cuban church connection for challenging the Blocade. This is a long established connection and this group has recognition by the Cuban govornment. The churches that recieve the aid and host folks challenging the blocade are real churches in Cuba. -
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Thu, March 9, 2006 - 11:41 AMIf I understand you correctly, then those churches in Cuba who never received aid from Pastors to the Peace or hosted people challenging the US embargo.... are not real churches?
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Thu, March 23, 2006 - 3:47 PMBraulio, are you trying to be sarcastic or are you truely confused? Could you ask your question more clearly.....it is hard to tell if it is a Question or acomment with a questionmark after it.
I think that people who attend churches to worship in community and share their faith really are attending a church. There are real buildings, real books, real songs they are singing, real food, real people. Yes real church and freedom to practice whatever religion that they want in Cuba.
The Pastors for Peace aid did make it to Cuba, except for the computer equipment which was seized by the U.S. govornment at the border last july. All that 140 Tons of aid went to churches to distribute to people.
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Mon, April 10, 2006 - 5:34 AMJaine - Jehovah witnesses don't have churches in Cuba. Their religion became illegal to the Cuban authorities back in the 70s. Their churches were confiscated and they had to worship in secret and to my knowledge that's still the case up to date.
I don't know much about Pastors for Peace, and to be honest I don't have much respect for them since the time when I lived in Cuba. No ofense, but I've always perceived them as friendly to Castro and his regime. To me anyone friendly to Castro was not friendly to the Cuban people and its suffering.
Do you know whether Pastors for Peace has ever tried to reach out to the Jehovah witness or the Adventists..or any other church that is not on the official list provided by the Cuban government to them? I need to be enlighted.
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Mon, April 10, 2006 - 11:50 AMHmm, I do not know the answer to them. I don't know all the details, especially which churches are represented and whether they are on certain permitted lists. Let me know if you find out.
So are you pro Cuban and anti Castro? Explain more to me. I am just interested in different viewpoints in the matter. I wonder more of your experience living in cuba. Perhaps it may mean a topic for discussion.
I think the blocade and travel bans of the US are harsh, I think that Pastors for Peace is doing great work to challenge this policy from the US. As for Castros politics...I would like to learn more.
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Mon, April 10, 2006 - 2:08 PMHi Jaine,
The reason you're confused is because Braulio isn't telling the truth, actually he's mixing truth with lies.
In Havana there are Jehovah's witness or 7th day adventist churches all over. I think every neighborhood has one in it. In Marianao there's a brand new Evangelical church "huge" with people standing in the streets to get in. They're very well funded by some outside source it seems. It's funny though, many of the so called "Cuban" Jehovah's witnesses aren't like the ones you find in the states, because their so much more laid back about it, much less "puritanical", which is refreshing.
Braulio told you little truth when he said the government shut down the "Evangelical" groups in the 70's and 80's. That's because alot of their funding was from groups that had it in for the Cuban government. Very much like now in this country with our government keeping a close eye on certain "Mosques" and who they are funded by.
Gotta look at the big picture. Or better yet, go to Cuba!
Also, have you noticed the shift now on Hugo Chavez, and how the attacks are being led mostly by Evangelicals? It's because Chavez has shut down "their" operations in Venezuela "which are very questionable".
Hope that helped.
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Fri, April 14, 2006 - 2:32 PMI was born and raised Cuban in the old fashion way so I guess that leaves me with no other choices but to be pro-Cuban but I've never been and never will be pro-Castro. If you asked me to tell you about my experience growing up in Cuba I can describe it to you in one word: FEAR.
I think the blocade thing is a big excuse for Castro to blame it all on US rather than his failures to provide wellfare to the Cuban people. We have more problems now than what we used to have before 1959. I think the embargo hasn't worked through all these years and that can't be ignored either. I would for US to lift that embargo so Castro won't have any more excuses. -
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Thu, April 27, 2006 - 12:06 PMCould you be more specific? What were you in "fear" of? -
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Fri, May 5, 2006 - 6:50 PMI had the impression you were Cuban-born, but maybe you came to the US as a baby and weren't exposed to all sort of harrassments by the Cuban repressive regime. I'm not sure whether you are really trying to understand why I grew up in fear or whether you are in denial that Cuban people live without fear. If you can clarify that and where where you are coming from in terms of your political views/beliefs on this matter, I think we can have a more healthy discussion on this topic.
Kindest regards.
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Tue, May 9, 2006 - 4:09 PMNo, I wasn't born in Cuba, nor did I grow up there. But I'm also not coming from any nieve point of view that Cuba is without a lot of problems. I just don't think saying that "Cubans live in fear" is very relevent to what going on down there. "Frustration" describes the situation much better. My political beliefs change with the issue at hand, I'm not a koolaid drinker of any political party.
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Thu, October 12, 2006 - 8:44 AMIf Cubans dont believe in God... then Americans dont believe in 'culture;...
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Tue, January 2, 2007 - 10:46 AMDuring the Revolutionary Period (up until Pope John Paul II's visit) almost ALL religious activity was prohibited. My godfather in Ifa's father was sent to penetantary for refusing to stand to salute the flag (he was Jehova's Witness,) Roman Catholic masses were prohibited or at least attendendants marked for re-education. Permists were required to hold a Santeria consagration but for Santeria and for Palo, BIG heads were turned (Fidel has Eleggua made) and after centuries during which the Orishas survived shielded behind Roman Catholic Saint drag, during this period the Orishas have repaid their debt to the Roman church by being the route for which Roman Catholicism to survive in Cuba.
When I visited the second time (which my first time for religious reasons) Pope John Paul II had already arrived. Cuba had, if not opened itself wide to evengalization, had at least allowed it. It was UGHY. I met a black American trying to convert Santeros to Mormonism (odd justoposition that, black mormon tries to convert white Santero). Families were being torn apart (I have seen this in one Latin American country after the other) by one member of the family or a couple (thus dragging TWO families into the sundering).
Fundamentalism and the insecurity of the evengelical of his or her own beliefs that is the impetus for them to go forth and make others believe ("if more people believe like I do then It makes me feel more sure of my belief") is and ugly and evil thing.
In Cuba various fringe Xian sects funded by US missionary-evengelical groups were using FOOD (a HUGE factor in the life of an average Cuban) to facilitate conversion. Rather like using a hypnogogic drug to brainwash an American who isn't swayed by your offer of a sandwich because he has steak at home.
I am very glad when people find a path to god that makes them feel faith-filled and enthusiastic (etemology: "god within") BUT I have NO respect for anyone who comes to me and tells me that I couldn't figure out what was MY way, made a mistake and they know FOR ME which is the path to god. I have always respected other's choice in religion and I have a surprise for those who have the AUDACITY to not respect mine: I turn the hose on them if they break my peace and ring my door bell.
I suggest answering the door naked, turning the hose on evangelicals who invade one's peace as a catharsis that can't be beat. They should be free to believe in what they want. I am the king of my own castly and they do not ring my bell with impunity.
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Fri, January 5, 2007 - 1:10 AMI don't see much difference between evangelical pasters and Santeros. They both are looking for money. -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 6:02 PMI say it again: as a believer in la Madre de Los Tomates, I never experienced any harassment ... I practiced to my heart's desires... :-)
and with all due respect, all J's witneses I knew were cuckooo, cuckoo ...
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